Difference between 45nm Core 2 (Duo / Quad) and 65nm Core 2 (Duo / Quad)
New PC buyers would be facing one major questions, though its quite confirm that it would be a Core 2 (Duo / Quad) processor but now there is 2 versions of it. The 65nm Conroe batch and 45nm Penryn batch.
Many would be thinking whats the difference between these 45nm Core 2 Duo / Quad vs 65nm Core 2 Duo / Quad processors ?
I would be trying to list few basic difference between these processors from an end user point a view. The immediate difference one may find is their identifying model numbers.
- nm stands for nano meter.
- Code name of Intel processors comes from the a name of any local neighborhood near by to the Intel development facility in which it is developed
Intel 65nm processors are the 1st batch of Core architecture product code named Conroe / Conroe XE / Conroe L / Allendale / Merom / Merom XE / Kentsfield / Kentsfield XE.
Intel 45nm Penryn processors are the second batch of the successful Core architecture with Code name Penryn / Wolfdale / Yorkfield / Yorkfield XE.
Every single Intel processor model has their unique identification numbers, the 65nm numbers are as follows with relationship of their code name.
The 65nm Core 2 batch is as follows, it contains Dual Core desktop and notebook as well as Quad core desktop processors.
Intel Core 2 Duo (Conroe - 65nm)
E6300 - 2MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 1.86 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E6320 - 4MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 1.86 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E6400 - 2MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.13 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E6420 - 4MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.13 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E6540 - 2MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.33 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E6550 - 4MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 2.33 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E6600 - 4MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.40 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E6700 - 4MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.67 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E6750 - 4MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 2.67 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E6850 - 4MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 3.00 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
Intel Core 2 eXtreme (Conroe XE - 65nm)
X6800 - 4MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.93 GHz / 75W / Desptop (LGA 775)
Intel Core 2 Duo (Allendale - 65nm)
E4300 - 2MB L2 / 800 FSB / 1.80 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E4400 - 2MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.00 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E4500 - 2MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.20 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E4600 - 2MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.40 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
E4700 - 2MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.60 GHz / 65W / Desptop (LGA 775)
Intel Core 2 Duo (Merom - 65nm)
T5200 - 2MB L2 / 533 FSB / 1.60 GHz / 34W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5250 - 2MB L2 / 667 FSB / 1.50 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5270 - 2MB L2 / 800 FSB / 1.40 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5300 - 2MB L2 / 533 FSB / 1.73 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5450 - 2MB L2 / 667 FSB / 1.66 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5470 - 2MB L2 / 800 FSB / 1.60 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5500 - 2MB L2 / 667 FSB / 1.66 GHz / 34W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5550 - 2MB L2 / 667 FSB / 1.83 GHz / 34W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5600 - 2MB L2 / 667 FSB / 1.83 GHz / 34W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5750 - 2MB L2 / 667 FSB / 2.00 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T5850 - 2MB L2 / 667 FSB / 2.16 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T7100 - 2MB L2 / 800 FSB / 1.80 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T7200 - 4MB L2 / 667 FSB / 2.00 GHz / 34W / Mobile (Socket P)
T7250 - 2MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.00 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T7300 - 4MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.00 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T7400 - 4MB L2 / 667 FSB / 2.16 GHz / 34W / Mobile (Socket P)
T7500 - 4MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.20 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T7600 - 4MB L2 / 667 FSB / 2.33 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T7700 - 4MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.40 GHz / 34W / Mobile (Socket P)
T7800 - 4MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.60 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
L7200 - 4MB L2 / 667 FSB / 1.33 GHz / 17W / Mobile (Socket P)
L7300 - 4MB L2 / 800 FSB / 1.40 GHz / 17W / Mobile (Socket P)
L7400 - 4MB L2 / 667 FSB / 1.50 GHz / 17W / Mobile (Socket P)
L7500 - 4MB L2 / 800 FSB / 1.60 GHz / 17W / Mobile (Socket P)
L7700 - 4MB L2 / 800 FSB / 1.80 GHz / 17W / Mobile (Socket P)
U7500 - 2MB L2 / 533 FSB / 1.06 GHz / 10W / Mobile (Socket P)
U7600 - 2MB L2 / 533 FSB / 1.20 GHz / 10W / Mobile (Socket P)
U7700 - 2MB L2 / 533 FSB / 1.33 GHz / 10W / Mobile (Socket P)
Intel Core 2 eXtreme (Merom XE - 65nm)
X7800 - 4MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.60 GHz / 44W / Mobile (Socket P)
X7900 - 4MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.80 GHz / 44W / Mobile (Socket P)
Intel Core 2 Quad (Kentsfield - 65nm)
Q6600 - 8MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.40 GHz / 95W / Desktop (LGA 775)
Q6700 - 8MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.67 GHz / 95W / Desktop (LGA 775)
Intel Core 2 Quad (Kentsfield XE - 65nm)
QX6700 - 8MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.67 GHz / 130W / Desktop (LGA 775)
QX6800 - 8MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.93 GHz / 130W / Desktop (LGA 775)
QX6850 - 8MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 3.00 GHz / 130W / Desktop (LGA 775)
The 45nm Penryn batch is as follows,
Intel Core 2 Duo (Penryn - 45nm)
T9300 - 6MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.50 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T9500 - 6MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.60 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T8100 - 3MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.10 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
T8300 - 3MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.40 GHz / 35W / Mobile (Socket P)
Intel Core 2 eXtreme (Penryn XE - 45nm)
X9000 - 6MB L2 / 800 FSB / 2.80 GHz / 44W / Mobile (Socket P)
X9100 - 6MB L2 / 800 FSB / 3.00 GHz / 44W / Mobile (Socket P)
Intel Core 2 Duo (Wolfdale - 45nm)
E7200 - 3MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.53 GHz / 65W / Desktop (LGA 775)
E7300 - 3MB L2 / 1066 FSB / 2.67 GHz / 65W / Desktop (LGA 775)
E8190 - 6MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 2.67 GHz / 65W / Desktop (LGA 775)
E8200 - 6MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 2.67 GHz / 65W / Desktop (LGA 775)
E8300 - 6MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 2.83 GHz / 65W / Desktop (LGA 775)
E8400 - 6MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 3.00 GHz / 65W / Desktop (LGA 775)
E8500 - 6MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 3.16 GHz / 65W / Desktop (LGA 775)
Intel Core 2 Quad (Yorkfield - 45nm)
Q9300 - 06MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 2.50 GHz / 95W / Desktop (LGA 775)
Q9450 - 12MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 2.67 GHz / 95W / Desktop (LGA 775)
Q9550 - 12MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 2.83 GHz / 95W / Desktop (LGA 775)
Intel Core 2 eXtreme (Yorkfield XE - 45nm)
QX9650 - 12MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 3.00 GHz / 130W / Desktop (LGA 775)
QX9770 - 12MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 3.20 GHz / 136W / Desktop (LGA 775)
QX9775 - 12MB L2 / 1333 FSB / 3.20 GHz / 150W / Desktop (LGA 775)
As you may see, from the model numbers, basically the E6xxx / E4xxx / T5xxx / T7xxx / Q6xxx / QX6xxx processors are coming under 65nm platform, where as the E7xxx / E8xxx / Q9xxx / T8xxx / Q9xxx / QX9xxx processors belongs to Penryn 45nm family.
So when you would be looking to purchase a notebook or a desktop processor, this number would quickly help you to under stand the type of the processor it is coming with.
Difference in their manufacturing !
All though all these processors are under Core 2 family however there is a major jump from 65nm to this 45nm platform which Intel has done.
Basic building block of modern processors, silicon is no longer present in this 45nm family. 65nm infact is the smallest that a silicon gate can archive. Intel has developed a new material calling it High-K gate.
High-K gate allows Intel to make smaller transistors. A quick Intel video on Why High-K switch ?
What are transistors ?
In short layman’s language, this is some thing which is building block of any processor. It calculate and processes data. - Read more in Wiki. More is better, so number of transistors under your processor will determine how fast it is.
Number of transistors
45nm Core 2 processors contains 410 million transistors per core compare to 291 million per core of a 65nm Core 2 processor. Few quick facts on 45nm
Difference in clock speed and power consumptions
Increased number of transistors and lower power consumptions allows the new 45nm processors to run at higher clock speed compare to 65nm counter part under same price range !!
More L2 cache
Once again smaller transistors size with High-K gate at 45nm allowed more space under processor Die, thus allowed Intel to increase the L2 cache.
Compare to 4 MB L2 E6xxx the standard Penryn dual core comes with 6 MB L2 where as compare to 8 MB of 65nm Quads, a 45nm quad core comes with 12 MB of cache.
Enhanced cache line split load
Not only more L2 option for 45nm processors, also they get smarter. Penryn comes with a new function called “enhanced cache line split load“. This innovation allows the processors to read L2 data more efficiently. Namely, the set of data which are suppose to be on a single thread but for some reason, is distributed on multiple thread. This new function would help to realign the data on a single thread and unblocking other threads which would allow other sets of data to be processed simultaneously. Data base related applications and some CAD applications would heavily benefit from it.
Fractional multiple
The Penryn family supports fractional multiple, thus allowing users to archive better over clocking needs.
Multiple ??
(FSB / 4) x multiple = Clock Speed
Good for over clocking
The new Penryn 45nm family is certainly better over clockers compare to their 65nm counter part. New High-K gate technology along with fractional multiple allows the lowest range 45nm processors (E8xxx) to touch almost 4 GHz with simple air cooling options.
Fast Radix-16 Divider support
This is a new feature compare to Radix-4 under a 65 nm Core 2 processor which is now included under Penryn batch. Just in layman’s language, this allows Penryn to process certain data such as integer and floating-point division and square roots twice faster than older 65 nm batch. Virtual / CAD application would have some major benefit from it.
Built For Virtualization
The 45nm batch is built for virtualization. This range of processors with Intel VT technology and larger L2 cache is meant to provide full support for application platform like Windows Server 2008 Hyper-V / VM Ware hardware virtualization or upcoming Windows 7 with native virtualization support.
SSE4.1 instructions support
Once again a major jump by supporting 47 new instruction set over older SSSE3 instruction sets. This is a major jump for Hardware technology how ever right now there are very very few application which are able to use few of these new 47 instruction set, for example few video encoding softwares would run significantly faster with Penryn compare to older Core 2 range. However not just video encoding, as we move along many upcoming softwares would be optimized for 45nm platform and would have ability to use these new instruction sets.
What does this mean to a layman computer user ?
To be honest, if you have a 65nm (Conroe) Core 2 range processor then under present real world application there would be a 6 to 15 % improvement with the new 45nm Penryn batch with heavy processing application, but with day to day application, there will be no visible performance improvement.
Simply to put it in this way, at present we dont have any mainstream real world application which can take advantage of a Penryn.
So if you are thing to upgrade your 65nm Core 2 (duo / quad) range processor with a new 45nm, then I would suggest to hold. It would be better idea to wait till the Intel 32nm nehalem range for a processor upgrade. Where as if you have money to spend, it would better idea to buy a better and powerful graphics card (if you are a gamer) or some more RAM (for virtualisation) or a better and larger TFT (for entertainment).
Where as if you are a new computer user and planing to buy one PC / Notebook, then as intel has released these 45nm with same price tag of 65nm, you must make sure your new PC / notebook comes with 45nm processor if you plan to buy a Intel based PC.


























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Rahul said
am June 18 2008 @ 8:17 pm
Hmmm detailed info. I will wait for 32nm, as my one is Intel core 2 duo E6750. Better to wait for 32nm, ddr3 ram price drop and may be i will get some cheap graphics card in coming future.
Useful post.
Regards.
Pratik said
am June 20 2008 @ 3:59 pm
^^ @ Rahul……..buddy you can never get a cheap graphics card !!! All yu can get cheap is outdated ones !
Eijaz Sheikh said
am June 21 2008 @ 7:25 pm
Hi Choto,
I am a Developer and hence planning to setup a high end, high performance Budget PC, using the latest Intel Core 2 Extreme / Quad Core 45nm processors. As i m dumb regarding latest configuration, i need your help in setting up a high performance PC which i can use for coding and Database analysis (and sometimes for gaming) work.
Could you be kind enough to give me the best configuration (and latest best Price) for Motherboard, RAM and other hardware, supporting these types of processor, so that i can utilise its full potential.
Please help ASAP.
Regards,
Choto Cheeta said
am June 21 2008 @ 9:30 pm
regarding PC config, take a look at here,
http://techbengal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4
if you have a question, u may drop a question at the Forum
thanks
dhanusaud said
am June 26 2008 @ 5:49 am
amazing article, i m lovin it. really, i wanna say thank you for a gr8 article.
Demian said
am June 30 2008 @ 5:13 pm
Very very interesting. Why do you think people are not buying that many quads yet? It does not seem to have become as popular as duos? Why is that?
Sarah said
am July 1 2008 @ 8:32 am
Very kind of you choto to go thru all the trouble to help people out…
I need a desktop to do graphics like in Coral Draw and to do some video editing using maya, pinnacle and for my son to play some games on like ‘flight simulator’. What would be a good config? Budget - 20 to 25k. 45nm core possible?
Tx!
subash said
am July 3 2008 @ 5:52 am
Why do you think people are not buying that many quads yet? It does not seem to have become as popular as duos? Why is that?
subash said
am July 3 2008 @ 5:53 am
i have planned to buy a new system, which should run all mechanical softwares. can you please suggest a good configuration
Choto Cheeta said
am July 4 2008 @ 8:21 am
Hi Sarah !!
Sorry for this late reply… I already have requested to use the Forum http://techbengal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4 to post a question as that is an easier format to handle question answer rather a blog post
anyway, I have also received your email, hence by the data I have in email from you as per your requirement, here is what I may recommend you.
Indeed you have a lower budget where as requirements are higher !! Do you need a TFT as in case a TFT in needed Rs. 9200/- + VAT needs to be set aside from the available Rs. 25k budget for the full system. Maya / video editing would require more processing power hence I would prefer a powerful processor while a CRT display !!!
This is the bellow config I think would be best for you.
AMD Phenom X3 8450 @ Rs. 5500 /- + VAT
GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H @ Rs. 4500 /- + VAT
Kingstone 2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz @ Rs. 1750 /- + VAT
320 GB SATA-II 16MB / 32 MB Buffer @ Rs. 2800 /- + VAT
DVD RW (IDE) @ Rs. 1100 /- + VAT
Any Local Cabinet where as Try to buy a branded 500 watts SMPS (VIP / PowerSafe / Zebronics Platinum) @ Rs. 2000 /- + VAT
17″ CRT LG 700E @ Rs. 4100 /- + VAT
Logitech 700 / Microsoft Desktop Pro Combo Key+Mouse @ Rs. 650 /- + VAT
UPS Local Brand @ Rs. 1400 /- + VAT
Creative 2.1 SBS 300 / 320 / 310 @ Rs. 1000 /- + VAT
Total TAX Rs. 992 /-
Total Rs. 25792 /-
See prices may varry depending your location in India.. Check your local stores and if you feel the need, feel free to post here
Try to accommodate a better processor and mobo along with 667 MHz 2 GB RAM atleast
while doing so to cut the price if you have to opt for lower HDD such 160 GB or leave out the creative speaker to get a cheap local Rs. 200 one, also do so.
Apart from Processor and Mobo rest and addable, meaning you can add another HDD / buy a new speaker or get a TFT any time, while Processor + Mobo is quite one time investment hence try to put the full effort in the processor and Mobo
Regarding cabinet, one thing keep in mind, any cabinet shall do for you, so no need to buy any branded one, just look in the shop any cabinet without SMPS at around Rs. 800 shall do, where as you invest a bit of extra penny in a better SMPS, because you would get a higher AMD Phenom X3 processor you at-least need a good SMPS of 500 watts… Those which comes by default with cabinet is certainly not upto the mark.. look for VIP / PowerSafe / Zebronics / CoolerMaster (< this one would be out of ur budget) type brand for your PSU
Sarah said
am July 5 2008 @ 9:17 am
Thanks Choto, it seems that you suggest a better processor and MoBo (’motherboard’ I presume..)could u let me know which you recommend? I agree with what you say about these being a long time investment and that the others could be added on later! I do have a Viewsonic CRT 15″ monitor so for now that could do. I guess AMD does not have 45nm core. Just thinking about saving on power!
bikdel said
am July 5 2008 @ 11:38 am
hey choto… one thing…
AFAIK High-K gates also have silicon present in them… along with germanium… but the actualt “gates” dont. The processor still has ample amount of Si & Ge in it…
And you said This batch of 45 nm is made for Virtualisation.. But i think there are 45 nms w/o vetualisation support.. isnt it?..
anyways nice article
Choto Cheeta said
am July 5 2008 @ 6:10 pm
@Sarah
Hello Mam,
I have already suggested a config which i felt is best for you, and yes I would certainly suggest you to save that extra 4k by no buying the 17″ display as you already have a 15″ display…
Infact you may use your present CD / DVD drive and also keyboard mouse / speaker with your new config
reusing those should save some penny
and add them for a future upgrade of that 15″ to a 19″ TFT which retails at around Rs. 9200/-
(LG / ViewSonic / Dell)
Sarah said
am July 7 2008 @ 10:51 am
I heard that AMD Phenom X4 is better in the long run. How much more is X4 than X3 in Rs. What do you think???
vikas said
am July 8 2008 @ 5:45 am
please help me,i want to assemble a computer for home use advance technology and fastest data download purpose,which is better recomonends for me,what you say about intel core 2 quad Q6600 and motherboard intel DG35EC ,PLEASE suggest me specially for processer,which is better quad or core2 duo,pls specify.thank u too much,vikas,patna,bihar,INDIA
Choto Cheeta said
am July 9 2008 @ 8:15 pm
@Sarah
The X4 9550 is Rs. 8000/- in Kolkata retail market, and for your usage X3 would be just fine…
@vikas
Sir please do mention your full budget
thank you
hoa said
am July 10 2008 @ 1:33 am
Great details. Thanks a lot for advise. I am planing to built a new computer using for video editing. I better wait till 32nm com out…
Thanks again,